#Welcome tothe #ArtStudio on #Monday after the #BigGame

Jerry Saltz – Advice to Art Students (A NEW ONE EACH DAY!)

4) You have to have doubts. It’s okay if you look at a Rembrandt and go, “It’s kinda brown.”

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Thank you Jerry for the Visit – I’d love to meet again for the first time.

Drawing: Books and Oil Pastels

Develop Craft: Learning to use tools, materials, artistic conventions; and learning to care for tools, materials, and space. A:How are you going to move forward with the work in front of you? What sorts of ideas are you going to use to resolve as a collage?

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Anselm Kieffert: https://d1inegp6v2yuxm.cloudfront.net/royal-academy/image/upload/c_limit,f_auto,w_1200/g7q5smgvt1e8os2i1kvd.jpg

What is the progression forward with the work? How did you LEARN from the critique last Friday?


Studio Art 360: BALANCE and Organic Objects

1.2P: Shape an artistic investigation of an aspect of present-day life using a contemporary practice of art or design.

How satisfied are you with your 5” x 5” design? Do you see new and unique ways to make lines and be more aware of the marks that you are making in the art that you are making?

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Copper Texture – This is what were doing NOW! https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/copper-relief-10029926.jpg

Wednesday and Thursday we are wrapping up the pressing of the design and then the inking / painting / staining of the final work. Two things you are struggling with… why? 

Let’s Look at LINE use and PATTERNS


Advanced Drawing: Fast Food

3.1Ad: Reflect on, re-engage, revise, and refine works of art or design considering relevant traditional and contemporary criteria as well as personal artistic vision.

What was the successful part of the drawing for you? What will you carry forward as you make more art?

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I’m Lovin’ It: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/23/04/26E90AEB00000578-0-He_wants_to_seedetailed_ingredients_lists_on_fast_food_packaging-m-55_1427084675296.jpg

How did doing the visit with your classmates open your ears to what was said? How did it open your eyes to what you saw?


AP Studio Art: Crit – HANDS and Object

CRIT TODAY!

4.2Ad: Critique, justify, and present choices in the process of analyzing, selecting, curating, and presenting artwork for a specific exhibit or event.

What do you have to say about the work in front of you? How are you going to look at the experience and learn from it? What have you done to PUSH  yourself in the process of making your art stronger, more successful? A LEVEL 6?

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CRIT: https://artmatters.ca/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/A-1162321-640×444.jpg

Nothing – we critiqued today. 

#Day2 #Take2 for #3rdHour – #ArtStudio

What is Art? Agnes Martin “Art is the concrete representation of our most subtle feelings.” Art In America (p.124, 1996)


Drawing: Welcome to O.P.P. (Observation, Pencils, and Perspective).

2.1Ac: Through experimentation, practice, and persistence, demonstrate acquisition of skills and knowledge in a chosen art form.

Most young artists work with their FIRST idea and that’s it. What might the benefit be to begin with MORE ideas? When you sketch in your binders / homework… where do you mostly get your ideas from?  How do you define OBSERVATION?

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Thumbnails of BOOKS – What are your ideas? Today we combine our books to ONE big stack and thumbnail up from there.

What do you hope to come up with this year in Drawing? What do you feel you will be able to improve on regarding the skills you have currently?


Studio Art 360: Lines and Sol LeWitt

2.1P: Engage in making a work of art or design without having a preconceived plan.

Assignment Handout LINK: https://goo.gl/nZo3qY

What is a balance? What is a pattern? What patterns and balance are you drawn to? Sol LeWitt Frank Korb LINK: https://goo.gl/nZo3qY


Advanced Drawing

2.1P: Engage in making a work of art or design without having a preconceived plan.

What was the biggest challenge you found as you began came up with your first drawings yesterday? What ELEMENT or PRINCIPLE did you begin with? How many did you get finished / started?

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Janet Fish Drawing in Color: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/8b/d5/4f/8bd54f5c5d293e3153b95959e275aded.jpg

What are 2 skills you have already that are going to make your experiences in Advanced Drawing easier? Janet Fish: 

ASSIGNMENT FOR WEDNESDAY – Fast Food Bags and Packaging for first still life drawing.


AP Studio Art: Hands and Still Life – Photography – Let’s CRIT first!

4.2Ad: Critique, justify, and present choices in the process of analyzing, selecting, curating, and presenting artwork for a specific exhibit or event.

What is ONE THING you really want to explain about the work you have created regarding the Art and Fear Chapter you chose. Write this out so you have a starting place to talk when you explain your work.

What 2 things are you most pleased with regarding the works you see / made out Art and Fear? ASSIGNMENT – Symbolism and BREADTH – You need to bring in a couple of still life objects that can easily be held in your hand (which will be photographed and then printed) to practice the ideas of observation. What have you got that you can bring in that helps to really tell about yourself, your interests, your passions? The practice of the still life – observation – is a skill that readers (AP and the rest of the art viewing world) recognize as important to the building of the skills of an artist. How can you demonstrate those skills? Many drawings? One Drawing? How can you use the time to really build your BREADTH?

#Wednesday and #ThreeDays of #Studio time with #Korb

The importance of goals (and I feel reflection)

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Goals and Goal Setting: http://media3.popsugar-assets.com/files/2014/08/18/746/n/1922441/79c345334b05824e_Screen_Shot_2014-08-18_at_9.53.39_AMLXsU2E.xxxlarge/i/Important-Write-Down-Your-Goals.jpg

Studio Art 360: Balance and Pattern – All sorts of types

1.2P: Shape an artistic investigation of an aspect of present-day life using a contemporary practice of art or design.

What do you feel you need to do in order to be focused and intentional in the work you are creating? One aspect of this work is to know that the marks you are making are permanent – cannot be taken out – one and done. How do you work with the mistakes that you might make?

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How do you feel about the process that you went through today in the making of you bas-relief metal work? 


Painting: Portraits and OILS

2.1Ac: Through experimentation, practice, and persistence, demonstrate acquisition of skills and knowledge in a chosen art form.

Have you looked around the room? What are the other artists doing in the process that you might be able to incorporate into your ideas?

Painting with your references? Will you be ready for the Critique? https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DWt7711uCoM/maxresdefault.jpg
Painting with your references? Will you be ready for the Critique? https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DWt7711uCoM/maxresdefault.jpg

Step back and look – what are three things you need to work on in your painting that you might not have seen so far? 



Drawing: Drawings ready for Printing

2.1Ac: Through experimentation, practice, and persistence, demonstrate acquisition of skills and knowledge in a chosen art form.

Today you are wrapping up the drawing. What are your plans? Have you chosen a compositional style? A color scheme? What is going to make this a STRONG work of art?

Printing from Continuous Line Contour Drawings: https://i0.wp.com/www.lindagermain.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Linda-Germain-4794.jpg
Printing from Continuous Line Contour Drawings: http://www.lindagermain.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Linda-Germain-4794.jpg

Are you ready for tomorrow? Will you be prepared to print on Friday? This is CRUNCH TIME! 


AP: Art and Fear NEW UPDATES! Woo Hoo!

Chapter 1 Available in AUDIO! Each Chapter is going to be recorded to help those who might need a bit of help reading through the chapters. The good part is – the words are almost all correct. The downside is – you need to listen to me.

NEW AND EXCITING NEWS! Available on this website (look to the right under ARTICLES, BOOKS, AND VIDEO LINKS for Art and Fear – Audio as well as the individual chapter websites from www.KorbArtAndFear.WordPress.com and HERE is the link too.

1.1 Ad: Visualize and hypothesize to generate plans for ideas and directions for creating art and design that can affect social change.

How does FEAR get in your way TODAY as you begin to or continue to create art?

How have you learned to work beyond fears to create work this year? Do you find that you still have fears about the work you are creating?

#Tuesday without #MrKorb is #Sad

TO ALL CLASSES!


Studio Art 360: Balance and Pattern – All sorts of types


Painting: Portraits and OILS


Drawing: Contour, Pastels, and Printing


AP: Art and Fear

This is the LAST WEEK of the Semester… How have you done?

 

The importance of goals (and I feel reflection)

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Goals and Goal Setting: http://media3.popsugar-assets.com/files/2014/08/18/746/n/1922441/79c345334b05824e_Screen_Shot_2014-08-18_at_9.53.39_AMLXsU2E.xxxlarge/i/Important-Write-Down-Your-Goals.jpg

Studio Art 360: Balance and Pattern – All sorts of types

 

G: 2.1P: Engage in making a work of art or design without having a preconceived plan.

What kind of balance do you find you prefer? Symmetry? Approximate Symmetry? Radial? Asymmetry?

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Copper Bas-Relief Plate https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/cc/3e/fb/cc3efb2250531ac2648122d83c86c4ff.jpg

What type of balance have you chosen to use? What are three reasons you chose this direction to go with?


Painting: Portraits and OILS

3.1Ac: Engage in constructive critique with peers, then reflect on, re-engage, revise, and refine works of art and design in response to personal artistic vision.

You were asked to begin thinking about the work in front of you… What DO YOU SEE IN YOUR PAINTING? That’s it.. WHAT DO YOU SEE? Take your time… look at everything you see in the work and write down all that you see.

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Let’s Chat for a moment… http://www.saic.edu/media/saic/gfx/academics/undergraduatedegrees/undergraduateexperience/painting_critique.jpg

Time to work today began with DESCRIPTION – was there anything NEW that you saw when you began writing and working today? We do not have a lot of time to work this week but… lots of time use that knowledge in your life.


Drawing: Contour and Printing

G: 2.1Ac: Through experimentation, practice, and persistence, demonstrate acquisition of skills and knowledge in a chosen art form.

What struggles do you personally find in the making of a continuous line contour drawing? Two things you are challenged by – full sentences.

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What’s your face looking like today? https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/3a/f8/e83af84f67c970756dcd50b8aea8084c.jpg

Work on own – focused and directed. G: Write out all that you have accomplished today. Tomorrow – Printing Plates and Watercolor Crayons.

 


AP: Art and Fear

G: 1.1 Ad: Visualize and hypothesize to generate plans for ideas and directions for creating art and design that can affect social change.

Art and Fear had a lot to offer. Open the book and look through the chapters… What chapter do you feel you MIGHT relate to you the most  Based SOLELY on the title of the chapter (may not be fair)  –  and WHY?

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Art and Fear http://joel.franusic.com/assets/img/art-and-fear-page-29.jpg

What chapter did you decide to use for this next piece? What is ONE of the aspects of the theme you feel you will be working through?

 

 

#Oils and #Contours and #Pattern… What could be more fun in the #ArtStudio?

“If I persist, if I continue to try, if I continue to charge forward, I will succeed.” — Og Mandino

“And even if you don’t succeed… there is NOTHING wrong with failure (just get back and try again – and again – and again…).” – Frank Korb 


Studio Art 360: Balance and Pattern – All sorts of types

G: 2.1P: Engage in making a work of art or design without having a preconceived plan.

What is a balance? What is a pattern? What patterns and balance are you drawn to?

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MC Escher Sketch of Two Birds http://www.mcescher.com/Shopmain/ShopEU/facsilimeprints/data/1000/15%20Two%20Birds.jpg

M.C. Escher’s Website and Works

What challenges did you have in the ideas of drawing out a pattern – repeat the simple image over and over and over?

 


Painting: Portraits and OILS

3.1Ac: Engage in constructive critique with peers, then reflect on, re-engage, revise, and refine works of art and design in response to personal artistic vision.

You were asked to begin thinking about the work in front of you… What DO YOU SEE IN YOUR PAINTING? That’s it.. WHAT DO YOU SEE? Take your time… look at everything you see in the work and write down all that you see.

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Let’s Chat for a moment… http://www.saic.edu/media/saic/gfx/academics/undergraduatedegrees/undergraduateexperience/painting_critique.jpg

Time to work today began with DESCRIPTION – was there anything NEW that you saw when you began writing and working today? We do not have a lot of time to work this week but… lots of time use that knowledge in your life.

 


Drawing: Contour and Faces

G: 1.2Ac: Choose from a range of materials and methods of traditional and contemporary artistic practices to plan works of art and design.

What struggles do you have when it comes to drawing the face to begin with? What struggles do you think you might have when drawing them without being able to lift your pencil?

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Contour Line Drawing FACES: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/be/32/82/be328200d1f131f9fb9471e6c8ca582b.jpg

In the end, what was the biggest challenge / success you had today in the studio?


AP: Let’s Talk Concentration

1.1 Ad: Visualize and hypothesize to generate plans for ideas and directions for creating art and design that can affect social change.

How does FEAR get in your way TODAY as you begin to or continue to create art?

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How have you learned to work beyond fears to create work this year? Do you find that you still have fears about the work you are creating?

 

#Wednesday #ArtAndFear Let us face our fears!

“If I persist, if I continue to try, if I continue to charge forward, I will succeed.” — Og Mandino

“And even if you don’t succeed… there is NOTHING wrong with failure (just get back and try again – and again – and again…).” – Frank Korb 


Studio Art 360: Glazing Pottery

1.2P: Shape an artistic investigation of an aspect of present-day life using a contemporary practice of art or design.

How do you feel about the ceramic work of art in front of you? Name on the rubric – begin to evaluate the sculpting process – hand in the rubric to begin to glaze the work – DEMO TIME TOO!

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Shark Bait! http://www.glazedexpectations.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Photo-May-21-4-58-49-PM-1030×1030.jpg

What went well today? What was a struggle?

 


Painting: Portraits and OILS

2.1Ac: Through experimentation, practice, and persistence, demonstrate acquisition of skills and knowledge in a chosen art form.

How do you FEEL about the act of oil painting again? The time away and the time returned? What did the BREAK do for the act of painting for you?

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Let’s Paint! http://www.featurepics.com/FI/Thumb300/20100827/Multi-Coloured-Oil-Paints-1643908.jpg

What is the STRENGTH of your work that you are especially proud of? 

 


Drawing: Critique your Portraits

1.2Ac: Choose from a range of materials and methods of traditional and contemporary artistic practices to plan works of art and design.

What are various types of artwork that we have created this year? Let’s create a list of the different works we’ve done on the board.

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What are you going to do? http://rlv.zcache.com/create_your_own_wood_wall_art-r0d1cf11ae05846ba8046d23e9580d723_jft0t_324.jpg?rlvnet=1

What are your plans? Any thoughts? Fears? Plans? 

 

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Critique! http://www.thefeministwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/JOEMARINARO.jpg

 


AP: Let’s Talk Concentration

 

1.1 Ad: Visualize and hypothesize to generate plans for ideas and directions for creating art and design that can affect social change.

Art and Fear had a lot to offer. Open the book and look through the chapters… What chapter do you feel you MIGHT relate to you the most  Based SOLELY on the title of the chapter (may not be fair)  –  and WHY?

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Art and Fear: http://joel.franusic.com/assets/img/art-and-fear-page-26.jpg

What chapter did you decide to use for this next piece? What is ONE of the aspects of the theme you feel you will be working through? 

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Critique https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5289/5213149069_c6bda1985e.jpg

What are you looking to do with the “last” / next set of three? 

#Wednesday MidWeek… #ArtStudio

REMEMBER THIS FOLKS! http://www.artlex.com/ArtLex/ij/images/imagination_einstein.gif

Drawing: PORTRAITS!

NEW PAGE on KORB’s Website: Facial Features!

 

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Goals:

  • 2.1Ac: Through experimentation, practice, and persistence, demonstrate acquisition of skills and knowledge in a chosen art form.
  • Take a look at your previous week’s works – where did you struggle the most with the idea of the portrait? Where did you succeed the most? How do you use the ideas of chiaroscuro and color to better define the ideas of form (in the face especially)?

Reflection: What was the most challenging part for you to draw that you LEARNED the most from? Why was this most difficult way to go and how do you see the LEARNING? What is most important about drawing when it comes to observation?

Studio Art 360: Clay

Early Sketches in Clay – STARTED ON PAPER! Ed Hamilton http://edhamiltonworks.com/images/lincoln/bas_relief/slave_9_whole.jpg

Goals:

  • 1.2P: Shape an artistic investigation of an aspect of present-day life using a contemporary practice of art or design.
  • What challenges did you have in getting started last week on Friday with the clay? REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS ARTWORK: Subtractive, Additive, and Manipulation to the clay. These techniques are REQUIRED in the FINAL Sculpture.

Reflection: What was the largest accomplishment you have in today’s work? EXPLAIN why it was an accomplishment.

AP Studio Art: Portfolio

What are you PROCEEDING with? https://korbartwuhs.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/1e2ed-b2526oquotewomat-402525.jpg

Goals:

  • 4.2Ad: Critique, justify, and present choices in the process of analyzing, selecting, curating, and presenting artwork for a specific exhibit or event.
  • What are 3 things that one of the 5 QUALITY works you’ve chosen do to represent the visual art abilities that you possess?

Reflection: When it comes to the making of art, what have you learned in the class about that part of being an artist?

Advanced Drawing: Skeleton – Shared Album HERE

Pelvis – TODAY’s Focus:  https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a3/14/37/a31437c011c8617346bbbd7426bd52bd.jpg

Goals:

  • 2.1Ad: Experiment, plan, and make multiple works of art and design that explore a personally meaningful theme, idea, or concept.
  • How can you use another part of the body to help you determine the height and width of the pelvic area as you are drawing the human form? Where and how will you use measurements to help?

Reflection: When you look at the form of the figure today, how have you succeeded with the drawing of the form? What techniques / approaches have you used?

#Workday #Wednesday #Still Life too.

Ten Things You MUST Give Up To Move Forward – Stephen Covey

Drawing: Thumbnails and Composition!

Morandi: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/aUkktG0wzs4/hqdefault.jpg

Goals:

  • 2.1Ac: Through experimentation, practice, and persistence, demonstrate acquisition of skills and knowledge in a chosen art form.
  • What did you accomplished yesterday? Thumbnails from MONDAY help prepare ideas for more solutions and ideas
  • Page 31 and 32 in Folder – Go over this with kids – Read aloud.

Reflection: In your compositions, IDENTIFY and WRITE DOWN the Transparent, Opaque, Translucent, and Metallic Objects you have chosen? Looking at your thumbnails, what compositional styles have you chosen to focus on?

Studio Art 360: STILL LIFE and PERSPECTIVE!

Robert Indiana: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2277/1750965577_f7ee03962d.jpg

Goals:

  • 2.1P: Engage in making a work of art or design without having a preconceived plan.
  • Think about YESTERDAY’s Sketchbook Beginning… How do YOU draw something in 3 dimensions? What are different techniques you know?
  • REVIEW the HABITS of an Artist Page 30 in the Folder.
  • Let’s Look at EXAMPLES of PREVIOUS year’s work…

Reflection: What is ONE thing you noticed about the different drawing pencils you experimented with today?

AP Studio Art: Art and Fear – DUE THURSDAY!

Art and Fear? I’m a bit freaked out. http://www.likesharetweet.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/girlsonwall-Optimized.jpg

Goals:

  • 2.3Ad: Demonstrate in works of art or design how visual and material culture defines, shapes, enhances, inhibits, and/or empowers people’s lives.
  • Last day in class to work on this breadth piece is today. As you look at the work in front of you, what is it you need to do SPECIFICALLY to resolve this image? What is in need of FINE TUNING and REVISION?

Reflection: What is the MOST successful aspect of your work about Art and Fear? WHY? Can you explain any sense of artistic growth or development in this work?

This one is creepy too: http://www.ago.net/assets/images/554/FearStill-594.jpg

Advanced Drawing: Fast Food Nation.

Janet Fish: Still Life in Pencil. http://www.moma.org/media/W1siZiIsIjI2Nzk3MyJdLFsicCIsImNvbnZlcnQiLCItcmVzaXplIDUxMng1MTJcdTAwM0UiXV0.jpg?sha=c88e1477e390418e

Goals:

  • 2.1Ac: Through experimentation, practice, and persistence, demonstrate acquisition of skills and knowledge in a chosen art form.
  • Looking over your ideas from yesterday – which ONE stands out as successful and WHY? What type of composition (looking at the handout from today) would you say it is most like?

Reflection: What have you done to begin your final composition today? What ARTIST HABIT OF MIND are you thinking about – or maybe you are considering the levels in the rubric as you continue to develop your artistic skills?

#Sketchbook #Tuesday in the #Art #Studio (#Perspective)

Ten Things You MUST Give Up To Move Forward – Stephen Covey

Drawing: Thumbnails and Composition!

Boxes and Objects – perspective, sighting in – Insode Outside Space… http://payload132.cargocollective.com/1/8/267741/4958137/06%20Drawing%20on%20Paper%20-%20Boxes_905.jpg

Goals:

  • 2.1Ac: Through experimentation, practice, and persistence, demonstrate acquisition of skills and knowledge in a chosen art form.
  • Most young artists work with their FIRST idea and that’s it. What might the benefit be to begin with MORE ideas?

Reflection: What skills, tools, ideas, compositional ideas do you hope to come up with this year in Drawing? What do you feel you will be able to improve on regarding the skills you have currently? 

Studio Art 360: Sketchbook!

Tony Smith Sculpture at the Matthew Marks Gallery. NYC. http://1vze7o2h8a2b2tyahl3i0t68.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Smith_2015-NYC_Installs_01.jpg INTERVIEW from ARTnews.

Goals:

  • 10.1P: Document the process of developing ideas from early stages to fully elaborated ideas.
  • What is the difference between shape and form? There are a FEW OTHER terms we are going to cover in the book – terms that help up TALK about art. 

Reflection: What is the benefit of taking the time to KNOW about 1 and 2 point perspective as an Artist?

AP Studio Art: Art and Fear – DUE THURSDAY!

FEAR your ART! AAARGHHHH! http://cdnstatic.visualizeus.com/thumbs/7b/c5/art,fear,horror,photography,baby,atmosphere-7bc5d916aaa91183f908487153e43575_h.jpg

Goals:

  • 2.1Ad: Experiment, plan, and make multiple works of art and design that explore a personally meaningful theme, idea, or concept.
  • Step back from your work and examine it from a distance. What is SUCCESSFUL about the composition? N: Reflect on deepening your ideas about the work. 

Reflection: Look at page 30 in your folder. What are you doing as an ARTIST (use the Habits of an artist) to make your work strong?

Advanced Drawing: Fast Food Nation.

Audrey Flack – REALISM – For you? Maybe not yet. http://www.audreyflack.com/af/photorealism/2.jpg

Goals:

  • 2.1Ac: Through experimentation, practice, and persistence, demonstrate acquisition of skills and knowledge in a chosen art form.
  • What has been the hardest part of using values for you? Share this with your neighbor and write your struggles in your goals page.

Reflection: How is the progress of the thumbnails going thus far? What are you doing successfully? Where are you struggling? Have you come up with a composition that you can GLUE DOWN on the WHITE ILLUSTRATION BOARD so the ideas are the same tomorrow?

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